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Archos tablet doesn't make Windows look good

 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:46 am    Post subject: Archos tablet doesn't make Windows look good Reply with quote

Archos tablet doesn't make Windows look good


Archos 9 is lethargic because it runs Windows 7 on a processor that's even slower than those used in netbooks those slow, small laptops. How slow is it? Windows rates computers from 1.0 to 7.9 based on how fast the hardware is, and places the Archos 9 at a 1.3 the lowest I've seen. It takes nearly two minutes to boot up. TV shows on Hulu.com stutter so badly they're like slide shows with a soundtrack.

It's a little disconcerting that the Windows tablet experience is so poor, nine years after Microsoft made a big push for its Tablet PC version of Windows XP. Clearly, Microsoft hasn't really adapted Windows properly for this type of device.  (Source: Peter Svensson, CNN)


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's clear that installing Windows 7 on an under powered machine will yield poor results. The same issue would occur with any other platform including the iPad (and that's why Apple gave it a 1 GHz processor).
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:01 pm    Post subject: iPad Analogy Reply with quote

I think you incorrectly used the iPad analogy.

Apple didn't give the iPad a 1Ghz processor because the platform (OS) was bloated, they rewrote the OS (kind of), to fit the device. The hands on previews show a very snappy experience and the OS would probably have run reasonably on a processor half the speed.

People complain about the iPad's lack of Flash and multitasking, but those things were done on purpose so you don't get poor results when using the device. (like the Archos)

Microsoft really needs to unforgivingly copy Apple and come out with a light weight version of Win7 with different (optimized) UI's specific for phones, netbooks, tablets, and slates.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
I disagree. Taking a 1GHz cpu and installing a single tasking OS on it shows how they struggle to optimize performance vs battery life. Further don't you think that Apple would have used an existing CPU from the iPhone which is cheaper than creating their own?

Also, single tasking is so 1980s. We've had multitasking since the beginning with other OSes such as Windows Mobile, Andoid, etc.

Part of their struggle is that as you add more dots to the resolution of the screen, the higher the cpu speed is required to render video. It's clear that Apple coulda, woulda, shoulda but didn't deliver on offering the best web experience let alone run desktop applications.

The market has shown based on the past that users want a desktop experience on this size screen - look at the netbook phenomenon - they represent over 10% of ALL sales - and that's more than Apple sells combined.

Its clear that Archos design went with an underpowered CPU and the reviewer cited the results. However to condemn the rest of the Tablets out there is an unfair comparison.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still think you're wrong. The article about Archos states: "Clearly, Microsoft hasn't really adapted Windows properly for this type of device. (Source: Peter Svensson, CNN)"

Then you reference the iPad saying the same would occur on that platform. BUT "platform" would refer to the hardware and software,... and Apple did adapt their OS properly so the user gets a good experience.

Apple seems to have won the struggle between performance and battery life as both seem excellent on the iPad. (if specs are to be believed).

I think the browsing experience will be the best. Except for Flash, there's not much to complain about, AND I like the game of chicken Apple is playing with Adobe. I think Adobe has too much to lose if everyone goes away from Flash, they'll rewrite and optimize their plug-in and Apple will get what they want. I like that Apple is sticking up for the user in this case (because I know Adobe wouldn't do anything if I wrote them an email complaining about the poor performance of their software).

Also, the iPhone, Touch and iPad can and does multitask. Apple just doesn't let YOU choose what gets multitasked. Apple thinks it knows what's best for it's users, and there are millions who agree in this case by purchasing an iPhone/Touch.

My brother owns an Android phone and he's always "managing" the apps he runs to not use up too much resources. He's pretty tech savvy so it gets away with it, but invariably, he uses a slow phone most of the time because of his choices.

Desktop apps on an iPad aren't going to cut it. (It doesn't cut it on netbooks either, I got rid of my netbook when I realized how crappy ULV processors were). I like being able to check my email in less than 5 seconds. (Try to wake up a powerful tablet from sleep, and launch Outlook in under 5 seconds... can't do it). Developers are going to have to rewrite apps for netbooks and the iPad. MS Office would be awesome on the iPad... including an iPad version of Outlook!. (OneNote would be nice too, but I'm not holding my breath).
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
We're not talking about a ULV processor - we're talking about the Atom processor these days. The Atom processor are more powerful with higher clock speeds and hyperthreading compared to the ULV P4s So to criticize this form factor you realize that the 9" LCD based netbooks already outsell the iPhone let alone the iPad.

So you are in favor of an OS (OSx for ARM) that doesn't have common features you want and requires all new apps to take advantage of the larger screen. Also, it doesn't have any printing capability as well.

Either way, I wish you well with your efforts to use it to meet your needs. Hopefully, the wait for applications and costs of the additional applications and the benefits they offer.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

People buy netbooks because they're cheap, not because they're good. Most Netbook users are disappointed with performance. I think that relates to the OS it's running. (they "have" to choose slower processor for heat and battery life considerations)

For the iPad (or similar smaller device), I want the OS rewritten or majority tweeked for performance and to take advantage of the touch capabilities. I like that Apple didn't just port Keynote (not that I use it very much) but at least they understood that it had to be rewritten.

Obviously I'd like to print. But that's software. I think the iPad will be able to print through WIFI eventually. I can grant a little leeway on a first release. (but there should have been a camera Wink I'd also like to see lite versions of popular apps. (Office, Photoshop Elements, iMovie, etc. AND yes, rewrite them so they run fast and clean and I'll pay for them.

I also think a 15" tablet Mac shouldn't run the regular OSX. It too should be majority rewritten to take advantage of the different capabilities. If they're going to call out Adobe for being lazy then they can't be hypocritical about this.

I really think this is why tablets haven't taken off.... because of the software.
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